We are meeting this coming Sunday, November 8th at 7:00 PM at Appalachian Brewing Company on Cameron Street in Harrisburg.
This week's topic was suggested by Mandy and I think it is a good one. She saw and episode of House that made her wonder about forgiveness. Here's the scenario from House:
One of the doctors goes to confession, feeling guilty about killing an African dictator who was planning to slaughter thousands of people the moment he got better, even though he felt it was, morally, the right thing to do. The priest was pretty rigid on the issue, saying unless he confessed and went to prison for the rest of his life, God would not forgive him.
Here is a reading from Wishful Thinking, a book by Frederick Buechner a pastor and writer:
To forgive somebody is to say one way or another, "You have done something uspeakable, and by all rights I should call it quits between us. Both my pride and my principles demand no less. However, although I make no guarantees that will be able to forget what you've done, and though we may both carry scars for life, I refuse to let it stand between us....to accept forgiveness means to admit that you've done something unspeakable that needs to be forgiven, and thus both parties must swallow the same thing: their pride.
This seems to explain what Jesus means when he says to God, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." Jesus is not saying that God's forgiveness is conditional upon our forgiving others. In the first place, forgiveness that's conditional isn't really forgiveness at all, just Fair Warning; and in the second place, our unforgivingness is among those things about us which we need to have God forgive us must. What Jesus apparently is saying is that the pride which keeps us from forgiving is the same pride which keeps us from accepting forgiveness, and will God please help us to do something about it.
When someone you've wronged forgives you, you're spared the dull and self-diminishing throb of a guilty conscience.
When you forgive somebody who has wronged you, you're spared the dismal corrosion of bitterness and wounded pride.
For both parties, forgiveness means the freedom again to be at peace inside their own skins and to be glad in each other's presence."
Here are some questions to ponder:
- What do you think of the priest's reaction?
- How are consequences and forgiveness related?
- How does forgiveness change us? What does it offer?
- Does one have to "pay the consequences" in order to be forgiven?
- How does God's forgiveness relate to our forgiveness of one another?
- How easy is it for you to forgive? Both big and little things.
- What does it matter that God forgives you?